Labret stud problems

Saturday May 31st, 2008 @ 9:39 AM

Filed under: Lip/Cheek


I’ve been having a series of issues it seems. I was pierced twice right next to each other on the side of my lip at 16ga, and the jewelry insert was a labret stud (to my later knowledge, 8mm post length). I realized it was too short, but even at this length it’s been bumping my teeth. Mostly on just the one closer to the middle of my lip, but the other has been bumping against it too occasionally.

However, at the same time the back of my lip is starting to “eat” the inside disc of the stud. So, there seems to be no solution, more bumping against my teeth or not have my lip “eat” it. I purchased implant grade labret studs (10mm in length), and after 2 weeks I switched them out by myself with no problem. There is still the little indent in my lip in a circle around the piercings where the discs slip neatly into, and fit into my lip some. So, even with the 10mm post length jewelry it’s still pocketing into my lip, and also hitting my teeth more. I don’t want my teeth to move, or get a receding gum over this issue.

I know CBRs are frowned upon for healing, but in this situation is this something I should switch out to to fix both problems or is it more likely I just need to get the whole thing pierced?

I’ve had them pierced for 2 weeks, the swelling is gone, and there is no signs of irritation or infection other than the irritation caused by my lip growing over the labret backing.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you!

As with so many questions that show up here, seeing these piercings would make it much easier to make suggestions. Since that isn’t an option, please bear with me if I’m only able to advise you in more general terms.

It sounds like you made a good call getting longer jewlery in your piercings, Even though they may bump against your teeth a bit more, it’s very likely you would have ended up having to remove your piercing had the disks sunk into you lip. At the very least, this would have caused additional swelling and you would have had to put even longer jewelry in your piercings.

Unfortunately, length of the stud vs. how it hits your teeth and gums is very often one of those things you have to deal with at first with new lip piercings. Oftentimes many of those issues can be eliminated with good placement, but I can’t speak to that in your particular case.

Keep in mind that your piercings are still very new, being only two weeks old. It’s likely, that in anoher week or so, you may be able to put the 8mm studs back into your piercings (again, I can’t see, so I can’t say for sure). That would probably help with the teeth issue. Also, depending upon what sort of jewelry you have access to, once your piercings are a few months old, you should be able to change to studs that have smaller disks…which would help with the teeth issue.

Best of luck.

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Nipple piercing placement

Saturday May 31st, 2008 @ 9:34 AM

Filed under: Nipple

I am interested in getting my nipples pierced (female), but I was wondering if there were any reasons why I would not be able to get them done, such as placement of veins, size, or etc.

While, in my experience, it’s pretty uncommon for nipples to be unpiercable, it does happen from time-to-time. The most common issue I’ve come across has been inverted nipples that do not come forward at all, even when erect. Size is very rarely an issue, and even when it is, it’s something that can usually be dealt with.

So, there aren’t many reasons that nipples can’t be pierced, but there are a few.

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Helpful cutting and scars

Friday May 30th, 2008 @ 6:41 PM

Filed under: Cutting

I am one of those people who gets piercings and tattoos to releave stress, but recently money has been tight, and I have been unable to get to a decent piercing parlor. I am too afraid of the negative consequences of piercing myself, and i have turned to cutting. although this may sound more destructive, in reality, my cuts are shallow, harmless, and nearly painless. I do it for the calming adrenaline rush, not for suicidal reasons, and it has done me a world of good.

my problem is that although the crowd here on BME is tolerant and understanding, my immediate family and friends… arnt. I am afraid that if (or when) they see the scars, they will assume the worst, that I am suicidal and unstable.

basically I was wondering if anyone has dealt with a similar situation, and what the outcome was.

There is a variety of things I could get into about cutting/self-harm etc. etc. However, I’m not here to lecture anyone about their choices, unless the things they are doing are clearly putting themselves in danger. Then, I’m happy to lecture. :)

Perhaps I can offer an alternative that might “do the trick”, but probably runs the risk of leaving scars:

Play piercing

This could very well give you the adrenaline rush and the stress-relief you seek, without leaving too many noticeable marks (although, be aware that bruising can occur with play piercing). I know that money is part of the reason you’ve turned to cutting, and I realize that play piercing needles aren’t free. However, you might be able to save a bit of money and invest in a box of play piercing needles that could last you quite a while.

There are a variety of sources for play piercing needles, but BME Shop is of course a great option.

The comment forum is available for anyone who wants to give a more direct answer to the question that was asked.

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Vertical labret rejection?

Thursday May 29th, 2008 @ 4:52 PM

Filed under: Lip/Cheek

Though I am an ‘impulse pieree’, as I like to think of it, I always make up for my split second decisions with research after the fact. Bad, I know.

I got a vertical labret piercing a week ago, and it is my favorite piercing. There was no swelling, blood, tenderness, or pain at all- even my tongue was worse. Yet I have seen several forums that claim that this piercing commonly rejects. However, as with most everything on the internet, whether or not this is true seems to vary.

Unfortunately this has made me very paranoid, to the point where I am checking it several times a day. So, I’ll ask the experts: do vertical labret piercings reject often? Also, I’ve seen some people mention it depends on whether ones anatomy is suited for it- my piercer did not say anything about this. Where should the piercing sit to lesson the risk of rejection?

Thanks for your help.

I wouldn’t say that vertical labret piercings reject very often. In fact, I’d go so far as to say it’s pretty uncommon. That assumes, of course, that the anatomy is well-suited for the piercing to begin with. Fortunately, most lips are pretty well suited for vertical labret piercings. Lips that are very thin and/or flat are often not good candidates for vertical labret piercings, but I have seen them work out on lips I was almost-postive they would reject on.

So, if your piercing seems to be doing well at this point, I really wouldn’t waste a lot of time and energy on worrying about it rejecting. If it’s going to reject, there likely isn’t anything you can do about it anyway.

Kick back. Relax. Don’t stress. Enjoy the hell out of your new piercing!

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Can’t get my tongue jewelry back through…

Thursday May 29th, 2008 @ 10:38 AM

Filed under: Tongue

I had my tongue pierced about 7/8 years ago now. I took out my bar for a bit of a break and now had my stud out for about a year or two. The hole is still there as I freak people out at work by putting a paper clip through it.

I now want to to get my stud back in, but unfortunately I can only get it through half way?!?! Has anyone got any suggestions please?



Considering you had your jewelry out for a year or two, it shouldn’t come as much surprise that hole is still open, but has shrunk a bit. Your best option is probably a trip to your piercer to have them stretch the hole slightly so the jewelry will fit back in.

If you don’t got that route, you will need to find a way to enlarge the hole so you can put the jewelry back in.

Just go see a piercer, is my vote.

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Wonky Septum?

Wednesday May 28th, 2008 @ 1:32 PM

Filed under: Nose

Hi! Apologies for the bad webcam picture, but its all I have right now.

Now, I got my septum pierced yesterday. All well and good, apart from on the right hand side, the exit hole appears to be too far forward. Essentially, my retainer is at two different places on each side. So, as you can (hopefully) see in the picture, we have a wonky issue going on.

Now my piercer told me its just an issue that happens with new septums and it’ll correct itself…but the nose is cartalidge and that doesn’t swell unless its infected as far as I know of! Should I take it out now, allow it to heal and then get it repierced, or should I wait and see if it will correct itself?

I’m also concerned and thinking I should take it out now because I can actually feel the outline of the retainer on the right hand side by running my finger along the outside of my nose. If I apply a little pressure, I can feel the whole bar (and a fair bit of pain!). Surely thats too shallow?

I’d be very grateful for any advice you could possibly give me.


A better picture would definitely be helpful in this case, but I’ll give it whirl anyway.

It does look like one side of the piercing is further back/forward than the other. Because of the quality of the picture, I’m not sure if it’s quite a bit further back/forward, or if the shadows are making it appear that way, and it’s only slightly further back/forward.

What your piercer told you about the piercing correcting itself is not totally out-of-whack. I have seen some septum piercings that look a little bit off right after piercing end up healing perfect straight. Septum piercings definitely do swell (even if they aren’t infected), and that swelling can sometimes contribute to the piercing appearing slightly off.

The key with all of that is the piercing being slightly off. If the piercing is way off to begin with, it’s not going to correct itself. In that case, the jewelry should be removed sooner-than-later, and the piercing can be redone in a couple of weeks. If you trust the person who did your piercing originally, I would suggest returning to them and discussing your options with them. They sholud be willing to redo the piercing at no charge.

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nipple piercing

Wednesday May 28th, 2008 @ 12:14 PM

Filed under: Nipple

I am considering getting my nipple/s pierced, but I have a few questions I haven’t seen addressed elsewhere on your site. First of all, I have very large breasts (DDD cup size.) Is this a problem or an asset, at least when it comes to piercing? Secondly, I am concerned about clothing show-through at work. Padded bras aren’t readily available in my size, so what other options are out there as far as jewelry style, clothing choices, etc? And last but certainly not least, (and I’m sure I have seen this info elsewhere, but I can’t find it now) can you give me some ideas on the best way to find a good piercer? How about a link to some licensing organizations or client reviews? Thank you so much for your help!

Women with larger breasts can definitely experience a harder time healing nipple piercings…keeping in mind of course, everyone’s experience is going to be different. In general, larger breasts result in piercings/jewelry that can have more pressure put on them from shirts and bras as well as piercings that just get “beat up” a bit more during daily life.

For healing purposes, and quite possibly permanently, you should go with barbells for jewelry. Barbells with have significantly less pressure put on them from bras, as compared to captive bead rings or circular barbells. The less pressure, the easier to heal, and the more comfortable they will be during hte healing process. This also reduces the likelihood of migration or rejection. In additon, barbells with small balls are less likely to show through clothing…and if they do show through somewhat, they are more likely to be overlooked as simply part of the nipple.

Finding a good piercer in your area can sometimes be tricky. Word-of-mouth/referral is often a good way to go. Ask people you see with piercings that look nice and appear to be healed where they had there work done. If you consistently hear the name of one or two places, that’s probably a good indication of a good studio.

Another good resource you can use is the web site ( for the Association of Professional Piercers. The APP is not a licensing or policing organization, but it’s members do have to meet a minimum set of health and safety standards. Specifically, you may want to try these pages:

Choosing A Piercer


APP Piercers in Your Area

I would suggest spending some time looking through the rest of the site as well. It will tell you about what sort of requirements the APP has for membership and exactly what being an APP member means to you, as someone looking to have a piercing done.

Best of luck!

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Ethics and Flash

Wednesday May 28th, 2008 @ 1:33 AM

Filed under: Tattoos

Hey. I’ve been browsing the BME galleries for submitted flash to practice my drawing. I’ve made three large pieces for various purposes and want to continue, but I want to be able to say that they’re totally my own creations.

Is it ethical to borrow from someone else’s flash to create a new piece? How do professional tattoo artists learn and develop their own styles?

No matter what you think, these are NOT your drawings. They are your copies of drawings and ethically if I were you I would never steal someone’s drawings and claim them as your own.

Copying other designs by tracing and later attempting to re-draw is great for practice, but you should never try to re-sell the prints to anyone else. Because how would you feel if you spent your own personal time drawing up something and then next thing you know someone is re-copying it and selling it as their own work?

A true artist will practice on various styles of flash and after enough time will be able to draw these things up easily (flowers,etc). For more detailed serious work sometimes artists will investigate and take bits and pieces of various imagery and piece them together as one before drawing it completely out.

Professional tattoo artists, the ones I know anyways, who have developed their own styles. Have done so through countless hours of sketching, drawing, copying and just fully surrounding themselves within their art. To be honest there is no “personal style” anymore as there’s so many artists out there so pretty much every “style” has been thought up already…But a real artist will not need to copy anyone elses work, they should be ready, willing and capable of drawing up a broad range of imagery no matter what.

Personally I never got the whole: “I only do black and grey” or: “I only do color” way of thinking some artists take. A true artist in my eyes should be as I said ready, willing and capable of drawing any and all potential ideas that a client thinks up, be it: realistic, cartoony, black, color,etc imagery. Yet they’ll still be able to put their own personal spin into the design based on their emotions/feelings, what the client is looking for,etc.

Just let your thoughts and emotions flow from your mind and soul onto the paper.

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Double Flare Plugs

Tuesday May 27th, 2008 @ 7:10 PM

Filed under: Piercing

This is just kinda a general question… but as I was stretching to a 4 today, I was imagining all the jewelery I’m gonna buy when I get my goal (1/2ish??) and then I thought about double flare plugs…

I’m probably gonna sound really dumb, but wouldn’t putting double flare plugs in stretched ears be like stretching them all over again in order to get them in the holes?

hmmmm o_O

When it comes to double flared plugs, there is a bit of a stretch involved in getting them in. The flares on most double-flared plugs is not a full-size bigger than the plug itself. So, if you have been at a particular size for a while, putting in double-flared jewelry is typically not a problem.

If your ears don’t naturally stretch well, or the flares are overly-large on the jewelry in question, they could be a little harder to get it in.

You shouldn’t use double-flared jewelry for stretching, obviously…as you’ll have to actually stretch almost two sizes to get them in…which is a great way to tear your ears.

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Tattoos on ankles

Tuesday May 27th, 2008 @ 7:05 PM

Filed under: Tattoos

I’ve been toying with the idea of getting small tattoos of wings on my ankles, but I’ve heard that jointed areas are prone to rejecting the ink. Would a tattoo in that area be advisable?

I don’t think jointed/bendy areas are necessarily more prone to rejecting ink, but they do experience much more movement and friction during the healing period, making them a tougher area to heal…which can result in loss of ink. In addition, jointed area often tend to have thinner skin, making it a bit harder to put the ink in without also doing too much damage to the skin. This may result in some artists going a little “light” when working in these areas, thereby not getting good coverage to begin with.

I don’t have my ankles tattooed, but I do have both of my kneecaps done. I definitely found the healing of these tattoos to be more difficult, but I didn’t find that they lost any more ink during healing than less bendy spots I’ve had tattooed.

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