Scarification Madison Piercing Large Gauge

Wednesday October 7th, 2009 @ 5:52 PM

Filed under: Surface/Unusual

I have been very interested in getting a piercing on my neck, above the collarbone. I believe it is called a madison. I also want the size to be very large and be a heavy ring, around a 2-00g. I know they have a high rejection rate to begin with. I was wondering if I could utilize scarification in such a way that the keloid might prevent migration, make a small vertical cut in the neck, allow it to heal and then pierce behind it. If this sounds plausible to you, then my next question would be, should I start with a large needle or a small one and then stretch? I would also like to know how deep into my neck is TOO deep. Thanks a lot in advance!


What you are referring to is called scar and brace piercing. It was commonly attempted years ago, before the advent of surface bars, unfortunately, it was rarely successful. Here’s BME’s encyclopedia entry on the subject for more info.

I am not one to call any sort of piercing as “impossible”, because I have seen more than a fair share of EXTREMELY unlikely piercings heal. However, the odd’s of having this piercing heal are VERY slim. If you insist on trying it and are accepting of the fact it will most likely reject, try using the lightest and smallest gauge jewelry acceptable, I’d probably go for glass myself. One method that had some success in the past was scalpelled madisons. I believe Tom Brazda did some of these successfully, but I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong on that. This involved scalpelling the piercing, so that the jewelry could rest in a more natural state than if it had been pierced by traditional needle methods. I severely doubt this will heal, but I am all for educated experimentation by trained professionals.

The best bet is also the most difficult to perform and that would be creating a bipedicle flap and then wearing the jewelry in that after it heals (assuming it heals).

As to your question “how deep…is too deep”, I’d have to say if you hit your jugular or esophagus you probably went too deep! In all seriousness though, this question leads me to believe you plan to attempt this yourself and that you are not all that knowledgeable on the subject. While I generally support DIY piercings, I must say that attempting this on yourself is a horrible idea and I can’t forsee a good outcome.

If you really want this and consult an experienced professional, know your risk, realize the odds are against you for healing it and still want it done (and have an reputable practitioner willing to attempt it for you), I 100% support your decision and respect your willingness to attempt the unlikely.

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Posted by Sean Philips | Permalink | 1 Comment

Microdermals in airports

Wednesday September 23rd, 2009 @ 10:39 PM

Filed under: Surface/Unusual

I got two microdermals in my hips about a week ago,my family has just told me we’re going on holidays to asia in a few months.I was wondering if it’s guaranteed that I won’t be stopped boarding in the airport security place because of the dermals? Because they’ll probably have healed by the time of the holidays,and I’m seriously considering getting them removed,please help,they’re looking very well and I wouldn’t like to remove them for no reason.

I travel by plane quite frequently and have never had a metal detector go off due to any of my implants or body jewellery. Even my neodymium magnet implant hasn’t set them off.

I’ve asked security why this is and have received mixed answers. I’ve been told that this is due to the grade of metals the jewellery is made with and also that the amount of metal by volume is not enough to set them off. None of these security sources have seemed to really know for sure.

Expect that your belt buckle, coins and lighter will set off the sensor, but not your microdermals (assuming that they are made with implant grade titanium).

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Posted by Russ Foxx | Permalink | 2 Comments

Hiding Nape Microdermals

Sunday August 16th, 2009 @ 8:35 AM

Filed under: Surface/Unusual

I have been considering getting nape microdermal piercings, and I have been trying to find somewhere that sells flesh colored or clear colored disks/balls or anything that would make a microdermal less noticeable. I have short hair and I am also an actor so I may be required to hide the piercings if I get them. I have had zero luck finding anything like this, and I have been searching everywhere online. I’ve only found clear retainers for other types of piercings.

The easiest way to hide HEALED micros is simply removing the end, if they were done flush to begin with, the post will be hardly noticeable. For hiding a healing micro, or if you aren’t comfortable with wearing no ends a good DIY fix is putting a flesh colored band aid on a flat disc end and cutting it to the same shape and size as the end.

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Posted by Sean Philips | Permalink | 3 Comments

Should I bother with Surface Piercings?

Tuesday August 11th, 2009 @ 7:32 PM

Filed under: Surface/Unusual

Hello there, I am a fairly new piercer, been piercing (post year long apprenticeship) for about 1 1/2 years. I have done plenty of small scale surface piercings like the horizontal eyebrow, the “sideburns” (surface in front of tragus), anti-eyrbows, etc with great success and now I would like to move on to larger scale surface piercings. My thing is, it seems like most spots don’t really heal well at all, and most of the rest have a fairly high rejection rate, although some piercers seem to, or at least claim to have high healing rates on the surface piercings they do. On the other hand it seems as though microdermals have advanced quite a bit and heal pretty well, as well as being more easily removed now and even having microdermals with no holes, i assume to be removed easily.

My question is basically, do you think it is worth it to get into surface piercings? Do you believe microdermals are a better alternative to the surface piercing? If not, what are the best and worst spots as far as healing for surface piercings?

Okay, the way I see things, there are three main factors that influence the viability of surface work - placement, technique and jewellery. There are other factors too, such as lifestyle, general health etc. With placement, areas with the least amount of movement stand a better chance of healing. You should also consider a persons clothing (is it likely to rub?), how they sleep (think of this one in relation to breasts and cleavage piercings), occupation, hobbies - anything that might knock, catch or move the piercing. Technique-wise, we all have our ways. I prefer the punch and taper method (I prefer punches for microdermals too). Do some research. Read experiences. See how other artists do things. Compare the results, practice on friends and find whichever suits you best. Jewellery plays a crucial part, too. The trick is to have the post exiting with a 90 degree angle between the post and the skin, that way there is no undue pressure on the wound edges from the jewellery. This means that curved barbells are unsuitable for nearly all types of surface work. I am also not a fan of PTFE for the same reason. I really, really dig Anatometals flat-bottomed surface bars. They seem less intrusive, sit nicely and are finished wonderfully.

So that’s my take on it. I think that both microdermals and surface bars both have a place in the wonderful world of surface work. As to whether it’s worth getting into surface piercings? Well, I certainly think so.

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Posted by Tiff Badhairdo | Permalink | 1 Comment

Wrist Piercing???

Tuesday August 4th, 2009 @ 11:46 AM

Filed under: Surface/Unusual

I really want my wrist pierced. (surface) I went to go get it pierced today but they really tried talking me out of it and told me to do some more research! should i still get it ? I have a lot of piercings and never had a problem with any of them. I just want to know if there is any pros or cons with this piercing? Is it even worth getting? What is the healing process like?

- Alicia

It sounds to me like you went to a really intelligent, ethical piercer, and you might consider actually listening to their advice on this one, eh? No, I don’t think wrist surface placement are worth bothering with - they rarely heal and are a difficult placement to live with. You will knock it a million times a day, it is impossible to keep that area clean, and odds are good that it will be red and crusty and weepy right up until the day it rejects out. The pros? Hack piercers make loads of money off of whacking them into everyone who asks for them without a concern in the world. The cons? That you won’t heal it, will regret doing it, and will be out however much it costs you and be scarred for life.

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Posted by Lori St.Leone | Permalink | 27 Comments

Surface Piercing (nape)

Wednesday July 29th, 2009 @ 4:24 PM

Filed under: Surface/Unusual

Hey I was wondering how i would put a surface bar into my nape piercing that I got 3 weeks ago. The piercer put a straight bar.. and it is healing fine but i really want a surface bar because it will be better in the long run. I purchased a 1 1/8th ” surface bar online (which is the length of the piercing) but cant figure out how to put it in with the sides coming up at a 90 degree angle… can anyone help?!?!

Surface bars are intended to be placed in initial piercings that were pierced for a specifically sized bar. Trying to change a straight bar into a surface bar would most likely be counter productive. You could try replacing the straight bar with a flexible bar such as PTFE or tygon. That would give you a far better chance of healing than a straight bar, but nowhere near as good as removing the piercing and having it pierced with a surface bar.

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Posted by Sean Philips | Permalink | 6 Comments

microdermals or surface bars?

Wednesday July 29th, 2009 @ 4:11 PM

Filed under: Surface/Unusual

In regard to sternum/cleavage piercing, is it better to get microdermals or a surface bar?

Does it make a difference depending on body type? (if so, i’m small chested and a little on the thin side. any advice?)

Thanks again,


In this particular area, 9 times out of 10, I find that microdermals will work better. Using the old “2 dots test” which is where you place 2 dots where a surface piercing would go, and then move your body and see if the 2 dots move at all. If they do, then that placement would not work very well with a surface bar because the bar doesn’t move. You will also find that the2 dots move position as you wear different bras. Therefore the single point microdermals would be preferable.

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Sternum piercing while taking pills?

Saturday July 11th, 2009 @ 10:01 AM

Filed under: Surface/Unusual

I am going to get my sternum surface piercing done within this and next month. But the thing is I am also taking breast enhancement pills. I am not sure if this will interfere with the piercing or not, Any advice?

Considering that breast enhancement pills don’t work*, it really doesn’t make any difference whatsoever. :)

*seriously, Google it. At BEST, they might contain some herbs with estrogen-like effects on the body, which could result in SLIGHT, temporary, enlargement. Of course, the health risks of randomly taking unknown quantities of herbs with pharmaceutical hormone-stimulant properties are widely considered to be bad. But hey, it’s your life and your money. I reckon if stuff like that worked, people wouldn’t fly to Thailand to get dodgy boob jobs, y’know?

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Posted by Lori St.Leone | Permalink | 1 Comment

Dermal Anchors

Thursday June 25th, 2009 @ 12:47 PM

Filed under: Surface/Unusual

So i want to get two dermals where a normal sternum piercing would be. how painful (compare to other piercings?) can i expect this to be?

This is going to sound like a smart-ass answer, but that’s not (mostly) my intention.

They will hurt more than some piercings and less than others. Without knowing what you’ve had done, it’s hard to say. And, even if I did know what you had done, it wouldn’t be a lot of help, as obviously, pain is relative. Add to that variations in the skills of the piercer performing the procedure…there is no way to give a reliable comparison.

Most people I’ve done dermal anchors on say they hurt less than they expected. A few have thought they hurt more than they expected.

Best of luck.

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Posted by Derek Lowe | Permalink | 7 Comments

hip microdermals

Wednesday June 10th, 2009 @ 7:23 PM

Filed under: Surface/Unusual

i go to shows a lot and im wondering if its worth it to get hip microdermals, or if theyll reject right away if i bump them or if theyll rip out in a pit? i move around a lot and im wondering how long they usually last?

I’ve actually had pretty good success with hip-placed surface anchors.
If you’re bumping and snagging them - they will very likely get angry and reject.

I tell my clients to wear a water-proof bandage that seals the whole way around the jewelry if they think they’re going to put their anchors in a situation where they may be compromised.

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